Nah. It's time to saddle up and start fighting. Write yer Congressman. Call up the other party (have you noticed what party the bulk of the sponsors of these bills comes from?).
The Constitution Restoration Act an amusing attempt to throw down the gauntlet, as, technically, the Supreme Court has no constitutional right to judicial review. It's custom-and-tradition, and an accepted part of the interpretation of their mandate, but it specifically is not enshrined in the Constitution.
It's time for another episode of people unclear on the point:
H.R. 1547 # Title: Religious Freedom Restoration Act
# CRS Summary: Amends the Federal judicial code to deny the district courts of the United States, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands and the United States Court of Federal Claims jurisdiction to hear or determine any case in which any requirement, prohibition, or other provision relating to religious freedom that is contained in a State or Federal statute is at issue.
Return to religious freedom.. by keeping the courts from stopping us from imposing our religion on others through the government.
If we leave, what happens to the people we leave behind who can't leave? For example, people stuck in the US due to the current practice of punishing Felons even after their time is served by not allowing them to vote or leave the country or any number of things? People who would like to leave, but have no useful skills that would allow them a Resident Visa in another country, much less emigration to another country?
You and I and people like us still have some measure of control. We still have the ability to vote, the ability to help campaign for people we think will make things better (or at least refrain from fucking them up), we still have the ability to write to our congress people, and we ultimately still have the ability to fight back using peaceful demonstrative force. We still have the ultimate ability to revolt, though I realize that it makes me a terrorist to contemplate such.
If we leave, what do we have?
A life in a strange land that is not our home, where we may never be able to establish citizenship and thus will be forced to live off of the good will of those who do own the country. Family that we leave behind in the US, who could conceivably (conceivably mind you, I don't believe that this is the case NOW) be punished for the fact that we opted out.
Freedom is earned. We can't give up on it when it gets hard to maintain -- when it isn't given to us. Right now is the time to fight for the liberties that we believe are ours. The United States does not own you -- you own the United States; it is Res Publica.
And I can't stand the funny way they talk up there eh?
There have been a lot of reasons I have looked into leaving the country as it is. And to answer what you said...
If we leave, what happens to the people we leave behind who can't leave?
If someone has an opportunity to do better for themselves then that really should not be an issue. And out of curiosity, do you have a link to an article about ex-felons not being allowed to leave the country? And I would argue that the people left behind have the same abilities to write their Congressmen and protest.
A life in a strange land that is not our home,
I'm an odd one when it comes to this. I can pick up and leave easily and settle in quite nicely wherever I end up. And if I relocated to another country, I would have no issue with learning the official language in order to survive.
Family that we leave behind in the US, who could conceivably be punished for the fact that we opted out.
With a father who is a retired military officer and a mother who has no fear of fighting like hell, I'm not the least bit worried. But what kind of punishment do you think would happen and why do you think that it could?
Freedom is earned. We can't give up on it when it gets hard to maintain -- when it isn't given to us. Right now is the time to fight for the liberties that we believe are ours.
I don't think it's giving up on it when things get bad. It's just a desire to show the ultimate vote of no confidence and relocating to a more desirable situation.
As for liberties...I *know* that I have them. The Bill of Rights spells things out quite perfectly. And it is long past time that our government was reminded that they serve the people.
And by the way, that stuff is all total bullshit and my congressmen will certainly be hearing from me. This shit just don't fly in Arizona. We shoot people who tell us what we can't do.
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Date: 2004-03-17 04:52 am (UTC)The Constitution Restoration Act an amusing attempt to throw down the gauntlet, as, technically, the Supreme Court has no constitutional right to judicial review. It's custom-and-tradition, and an accepted part of the interpretation of their mandate, but it specifically is not enshrined in the Constitution.
I'll keep fighting, myself, for now...
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Date: 2004-03-17 05:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-17 06:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-17 06:55 am (UTC)Return to religious freedom.. by keeping the courts from stopping us from imposing our religion on others through the government.
Hmmm. Sketchy, that.
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Date: 2004-03-17 03:24 pm (UTC)But we can't just leave.
If we leave, what happens to the people we leave behind who can't leave?
For example, people stuck in the US due to the current practice of punishing Felons even after their time is served by not allowing them to vote or leave the country or any number of things? People who would like to leave, but have no useful skills that would allow them a Resident Visa in another country, much less emigration to another country?
You and I and people like us still have some measure of control. We still have the ability to vote, the ability to help campaign for people we think will make things better (or at least refrain from fucking them up), we still have the ability to write to our congress people, and we ultimately still have the ability to fight back using peaceful demonstrative force. We still have the ultimate ability to revolt, though I realize that it makes me a terrorist to contemplate such.
If we leave, what do we have?
A life in a strange land that is not our home, where we may never be able to establish citizenship and thus will be forced to live off of the good will of those who do own the country. Family that we leave behind in the US, who could conceivably (conceivably mind you, I don't believe that this is the case NOW) be punished for the fact that we opted out.
Freedom is earned. We can't give up on it when it gets hard to maintain -- when it isn't given to us. Right now is the time to fight for the liberties that we believe are ours. The United States does not own you -- you own the United States; it is Res Publica.
And I can't stand the funny way they talk up there eh?
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Date: 2004-03-17 08:44 pm (UTC)If we leave, what happens to the people we leave behind who can't leave?
If someone has an opportunity to do better for themselves then that really should not be an issue. And out of curiosity, do you have a link to an article about ex-felons not being allowed to leave the country? And I would argue that the people left behind have the same abilities to write their Congressmen and protest.
A life in a strange land that is not our home,
I'm an odd one when it comes to this. I can pick up and leave easily and settle in quite nicely wherever I end up. And if I relocated to another country, I would have no issue with learning the official language in order to survive.
Family that we leave behind in the US, who could conceivably be punished for the fact that we opted out.
With a father who is a retired military officer and a mother who has no fear of fighting like hell, I'm not the least bit worried. But what kind of punishment do you think would happen and why do you think that it could?
Freedom is earned. We can't give up on it when it gets hard to maintain -- when it isn't given to us. Right now is the time to fight for the liberties that we believe are ours.
I don't think it's giving up on it when things get bad. It's just a desire to show the ultimate vote of no confidence and relocating to a more desirable situation.
As for liberties...I *know* that I have them. The Bill of Rights spells things out quite perfectly. And it is long past time that our government was reminded that they serve the people.
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Date: 2004-03-17 03:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-19 03:48 am (UTC)